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  • I understand you're in the midst of a large migration here, so this is not really high priority or anything, and you may already have this on your list of things to fix. However, I did notice that "Category:Screenshot needed" is automatically being applied to NPC articles, despite them already containing images (possibly being applied by Template:Npcbox). I can't determine how to fix it, as the code looks similar to that which WoW Wiki currently uses, and the problem isn't happening there.

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    • Yeah, I noticed that as well. It's on the "to-do" after categories are done.

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  • Before I delve into removing non-classic images from this wiki, I thought I should get some clarification on the import process. The images I am targeting for removal state:

    This file is from a shared repository and may be used by other projects. The description on its file description page there is shown below.

    Because "shared repository" is mentioned, does this mean that removing the image from this wiki will also remove the corresponding image from WoW Wiki, or are all of these images merely copies, and are safe to remove from this wiki?

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    • Anything done to images here won't be replicated over there ;) For instance, I'm redirecting all our post-Classic maps to their "old" versions.

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  • ClassicLoginArtwork

    Would you be opposed to changing this wiki's background image to this? It is instantly-recognizable artwork, which (at least to me) invokes the nostalgic feeling of waiting in queue on the login screen to play WoW back in the day. ;)

    I see this image used quite often online, when the topic of "WoW Classic" is being discussed or promoted.

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    • I'm open to changing it, but we should probably pick something that's different from the Vanilla site... or just change the Vanilla site :P

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    • Went for the latter :P

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    • I'd opt to change the vanilla wiki to something else personally, as it currently uses an image with a partially-obscured logo, rather than just the artwork. I think it is also likely that not a soul will notice if that wiki's background were to change to something else. It looks like that wiki currently has just one active user.

      In any case, I no longer have sysop rights over there, so I am unable to make the change myself.

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  • Hi Raylan,

    I agree with lore not being covered on this wiki, with preference given to the more-complete and expansive lore provided on WoW Wiki. However, I expect users may often still be looking for it on this wiki, or may even end up trying to add it to articles without first reading the guidelines. What are your thoughts on either a small banner, or a one-line text template that would point users in the direction of the corresponding article on WoW Wiki, so they can read up on lore and/or the current-day status of that topic? It could say something along the lines of:

    "For lore, and/or modern information regarding this topic, visit the corresponding page on WoW Wiki HERE."

    We wouldn't need to apply this to all articles of course, but we could maybe place it somewhere on the pages of major characters and locations.

    I have developed two similar templates on different wikis that could be tweaked for this purpose, if you think it's a worthwhile project for me to work on:

    Do you think this is worth pursuing, and if so, which style do you think would be more suitable (or is there another style you think would be more fitting)?

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    • Ayep, that's what I was thinking as well - haven't gotten around to it yet, so if you want to do that, that'd be great ;) I personally prefer the single-line style, as it isn't as obtrusive to readers.

      Oh, along the same lines, we don't need credit templates, since WoWWiki credit is given not only in the editing guidelines, but also in the page histories themselves :) Didn't know if that would be a question, but figured I'd answer it anyway :P

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    • Perfect! My preference was toward the single-line format as well, and after reading the guidelines, I figured the credit template wouldn't be necessary here.

      I may put together a WoW Wiki link template sometime soon (unless you beat me to it) and of course, feel free to tweak whatever I put together. :)

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    • Sounds great! I doubt I'll beat you to it, as I'm focusing on category revamp before diving back into building things out.

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  • Just so I'm on the same page as you for the sake of consistency, what is the date you are using when importing historical WoW Wiki articles over to this wiki?

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    • I've posted an editing guidelines page to help wade through things. It boils down to restoring pages from either August 2006 or August 2009 - just depends on how much of the content would have changed from launch to Cata, when the world was revamped.

      I should point out (it's in the guidelines as well) that history/lore/similar sections are being removed as well. It's not that I don't like them (I'm a lore hound myself) but we also don't want to negatively impact WoWWiki if we can help it - plus, Google would rank us as a "duplicate" site if we had a ton of identical info. Of course, if it's lore as seen in Classic (from in-game books, quest text, etc.) then by all means that should stay.

      And categories are being revamped (yay!). We only have to deal with a singular game here and no expansions, so we can remove a lot of bulk.

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  • I was about to look into tweaking the background image for the wiki, but I noticed my user rights were removed as I was composing my last edit...ouch!

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    • You are likely already aware of this, but it appears my contribution history from WoW Wiki was ported over to this new classic wiki, rather than from Vanilla WoW Wiki. Unfortunately, my entire contribution history pertains to post-classic content, so it is not suitable to describe classic WoW. Is there any chance you could remove all of my contributions and files on the wiki with a timestamp before November 10, 2018?

      If it is of any use, this log of contributions more-accurately captures my previous efforts on Vanilla WoW Wiki to improve upon a lot of WoW Wiki's historical articles that were ported over to that wiki. For each article I modified (not created), I attempted to fix errors and update them with more accurate information that was still true to what we can assume will be the WoW classic experience. I doubt it, but is there a process that could go through and pick out the useful edits? It may otherwise take me a while to go through them one-by-one to clean up the articles for the second time.

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    • Due to the way the site was constructed with WoWWiki being the backbone, it's not possible to go through and remove all the edits.

      That being said - I can go through everything you've done on the Vanilla site and use the export/import function to carry it over here. I've no problem doing that by hand myself with the link you provided ;) Normally we'd have to worry about clashing page histories, but since you've already done the work in updating (un-updating? windingbackpagesintime?) I'll just swap them clean out if they happen to have been restored already here. Shouldn't take too long.

      And, since we're on the topic of user rights - I'd be happy to have someone else on board here, if you want admin rights back :) Just gimme a poke!

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    • Sounds great Raylan! I hope it doesn't end up being too annoying for you to go though entry-by-entry.

      As I mentioned on my profile, I cannot say for certain what my activity level will be on this particular wiki. I was interested in Vanilla WoW Wiki for nostalgia, and in the differences between classic and current-day WoW. My interests remain the same, and I am excited to play classic once again this summer, but this new version of the wiki already seems a little more structured and official than the old one, so I believe it is a more appropriate place for me to contribute. I don't expect it will be "tainted" by malicious contributions of some drama-seeking illegal server-players, like Vanilla WoW Wiki often was. I'd be happy to assist in some capacity with maintenance and moderation, like I did on the other wiki, although my activity level may not be too substantial until the classic server is actually released. Still, it's easy enough for me to pop in here every day or two to make sure no one has been messing around with things. If you think it appropriate, I would like to retain my past admin user rights so I have the ability to help out as needed, even if it only ends up being a little.

      One last thing I'm curious about: What's the plan for Vanilla WoW Wiki? Is it being kept open as an active wiki, or is editing being disabled, so it can remain solely as an archive? Has that wiki's founder, Emhilradim weighed in on this transition (I notice he has now lost his "founder" status)?

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    • Rights granted ;) No worries on activity level - I mean, life is much more important.

      I carried over your contributions last night :) It didn't take too long, as I had already made it so that this wiki shares WoWWiki's image database, so I could avoid all the image and icon uploads. I skipped some - like pages with only one sentence or those that were essentially empty - and also avoided the handful that were strictly lore. There are some I'd like to merge with ones that already existed here (profession pages, iirc) as I took a lot of the pages here from what was on the very old official warcraft site from way back. Since I'm in the midst of category revamping anyway, it'll be pretty easy to do that at the same time.

      Vanilla WoWWiki, for the time being, is going to stay open. In our messaging to those concerned, we've made it clear that this one will be the supported one and will quickly eclipse that one, well before Classic even launches. We'll make a judgement call then whether to go and close/redirect it. I helped co-found the Vanilla one, so it's more than a bit ironic what's happened, but it is what it is. So it's continued existence past Classic's launch depends on whether the community has built it out to be something other than private server-centric and what I'd like to do with it, if anything. Private servers, like anything that would skirt TOU, EULA, trademark, etc., isn't something we really support on FANDOM. But we'll see.

      As for Emhil, he was inactive for about a year, maybe more, so that's why rights were removed. Technically that's permissible for staff to do after only three months of inactivity - but there's double the responsibility being the only other bcrat myself. Standard practice is that if an admin has been gone for that minimum amount of time, they may have abandoned the site. If it's only at the minimum threshold, then we'd reach out to make changes, but since the time of absence was so great, that wasn't required ;) In fact, he hasn't edited on any wiki since late 2017.

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  • I would like to request a Database Dump for archival purposes please.

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    • Is the dump for vanilla-wow available or can be retrieved, separate from the WoWWiki import you're doing now?

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    • I would suspect not, but using the contact link above might be worth a shot.

      The import here is actually already done. All 106k pages of WoWWiki have a history here, it's just a matter of going through now and reverting to 2006/2009, whichever is most pertinent.

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  • You've purged years of useful information that is not going to change on Classic Launch. You've purged lore, weapon skill, and racial abilities just to name a few. This information is not readily availible anywhere else, despite what you may think. I've read your reasoning. It is not right, but I'm sure you know that. I've made a Reddit post regarding what you have done and we will see what the community thinks, and so far it's not looking good for you.

    You might be able to justify deleting some of the pages, but racial abilities were availible on the demo and they were the same - you had no reason to purge that page other than "you felt like it." You really think LORE is going to change? 

    Have a nice day, I have a hunch your days are numbered.

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    • Although I have now been inactive on this wiki for quite some time, I have served as a caretaker administrator of sorts on this wiki for a number of years. I actually agree with Raylan13's recent actions, as they are necessary to re-focus the content of this wiki, bringing it in-line with the new (old) Classic WoW product before release. This is now an active Blizzard project, so it is necessary that the wiki be prepared for an expected influx of users who are interested in the subject, and that it be up to the standards of the present-day game.

      Much of the information you are referring to that was added in recent years, was re-wording of historical content already present in the WoW Wiki database. A lot of it was re-created from either player's memories of years past, or from their experiences in the unofficial third-party "vanilla" servers that were eventually shut down due to copyright infringement. In recent years, content on this wiki was heavily influenced by those third-party servers, but now that the wiki has been redesigned, it is important that it only reflects the official content, and because so much of it was influenced by unofficial servers, the easiest way to ensure that is by looking back to WoW Wiki's history. Any information you feel is missing can easily be added by any user who feels like it. We will now have a more stable and trustworthy source for this information which is actually verifiable (the new WoW Classic server).

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  • why are you deleting the API reference pages.  jesus christ there's barely any info on the 1.12 API as it were.  please restore them.  thanks.

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    Raylan13
    Raylan13 closed this thread because:
    Answer provided as to help the wiki.
    16:13, November 6, 2018
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    • Raylan13 wrote:
      Please refrain from vulgar language.

      That being said, if you want to look at API, go to WoWWiki. This site is strictly for what appears in the Classic version - namely, things players can see and touch, which precludes background functions, lore, and history.

      There was no vulgar language. Also, yes, thanks a ton for deleting all of this useful information that we can not find anywhere else. I made an account literally just to comment on this and converse with you and others on this issue. Provide links to where we can actually find much of the information you removed, I gaurantee you won't have much luck. So yeah, thanks once again, buddy.

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    • Actually, there was. The OP was edited.

      Closing this out. The answer has been given.

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  • Give us a reason or I will make sure you regret it

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